Christopher Pratt ([info]cpratt) wrote,
@ 2008-08-08 10:00:00
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Let's Talk About Carl Wilson's Celine Dion's Let's Talk About Love
Annoyingly, LiveJournal won't allow overlong subject lines; the book I'm talking about this morning is in fact titled Celine Dion's Let's Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste.

First off, let me begin by explaining why I bought this book. Drew Daniel of Matmos published a book on Throbbing Gristle's 20 Jazz Funk Greats a couple of months back, which is how I found out about the 33 1/3 series of books. If you don't know about these books, well, they're small paperbacks, each devoted to a single album. Some are OK, some are fairly lame (seriously, the one on In Utero was about as interesting as reading an Elektra press release), and two of them are exceptionally good (at least of the ones I've read so far). Drew's book is fascinating, but Carl's book goes right to the heart of many things that have concerned me since, oh, way back when.

I was at a wedding a couple of weeks back. It was traditionally beautiful: California sunshine, an exceedingly handsome couple, delicious food (and cake!), a ceremony obviously infused with love and devotion to each other, and... Céline Dion. I didn't notice it - it's been a long time since I saw Titanic, and I often joke that the first rule of me liking music is "no women singing," so I just didn't hear the music. All I heard was something soft and background-y and pleasant. However, one of the other guests - someone I hadn't met before - decided that I had a look of the Ancient Hipster about me (probably because I was wearing sunglasses, who knows), and decided to confidentially whisper to me that "oh God, they're playing Céline Dion." I laughed at first - I mean, come on, it's schmaltzy diva music, right? - and then caught myself. My second impulse whenever I hear someone complaining about popular music is almost always "but isn't there something there that demands our respect and attention? Surely if millions of people around the world admire and enjoy this music it's worthy of close reading, critical Auseinandersetzung, or whatever you call it?"

Back in college - I studied English and German at Berkeley from 1987 to 1992 - I repeatedly found myself torn between two seemingly opposite poles of craft (artistry?): Arno Schmidt and Karl May on one hand, Harry Mathews and Stephen King on the other hand. Arno Schmidt is notorious for having written crazy-large books (his Zettel's Traum is fun to have a look at if your library has a copy) that are virtually unintelligible (he was trying to out-Joyce Joyce), and Karl May is the best selling author in the German language (and you've probably never heard of him either).

One thing that seemed clear to me early on in my so-called academic career was that reading difficult or obscure books is far more prestigious than reading popular literature. If you say you're in the middle of Gravity's Rainbow, you automatically seem far more legitimate than if you're reading, say, How to Save Your Own Life. Even in high school this bothered me quite a bit: why, remind me again, do we spend so much time fussing over books that very few people read (are capable of reading? want to read? something else?) and so little time paying attention to things that people actually read? Surely it's more interesting to understand why millions of people loved Jonathan Livingston Seagull than to swoon over Joyce's use of Volapük in Finnegans Wake? Don't we read and teach stuff like Robbe-Grillet simply to prove that we're clever and well-educated? And on a not very related tangent, if I, a reasonably well educated person, can't make a lick of sense out of Gramsci, Lacan, Foucault, Marx, and the like, what is the average worker supposed to do with this stuff? [I remember watching Brecht's Kuhle Wampe in a class at Berkeley and wondering how the hell the so-called working class was supposed to understand, much less enjoy, a movie that struck me as theoretically constructed to the extent that all joy and directness was mediated right the fuck outta there, but I digress].

Anyhow: back to Céline. Right. So, we shared that moment of "oh God, Céline fucking Dion" and then I immediately switched back to "wait, everybody loves her actually, so is this really so bad?" Then, I remembered seeing Carl's book online: the title stuck with me. A Journey to the End of Taste, indeed. After all, taste is important. Hell, just this morning I saw a classic example on my friends list: [info]bearringsd came over for dinner earlier this week, he posted about it, and the first comment on his post was from someone who said "Hey, you have great taste in chocolate. I bought the same brand, so you're obviously a good person!" Taste is a complicated matter; what we consume does in fact say quite about who we are (or, rather, the personae we've constructed to represent ourselves). I won't go on at any length here - I stayed up too late last night reading Carl's book, and I don't have it here at the moment to refer to it - but he talks about all kinds of interesting things, such as "difficult listening" (hello Brian!), being "culturally omnivorous" as a social status marker, defining what we like by what we don't like (country, hip-hop, Christian music?)... it's awesome.

Oh, and he also delves into interesting things such as the status of Quebec culture in the Francophone world, the Kylie-equivalent "notre Céline" that you find in Montréal, the dialectic of compression (white male folk singers are supposed to sound direct, unmediated; "diva" music on the other hand is supposed to have lots of compression to sound bigger, more luxurious, more plush), Hurricane Katrina and 1960s Quebecker terrorists, and so on and so forth.

Really: you owe it to yourself to pick up a copy if you're at all interested in aesthetics, culture, taste, or music. This is the best book I've read in months.


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[info]unzeugmatic
2008-08-08 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Ok, I went and ordered it from the link you provided.

I come to this from a completely different place than you do. My concerns aren't so much with what we consume (musically, let's say) as with the notion that the consumer-producer distinction is inherently unfulfilling. People are literally starving for a different paradigm, I see this all the time in all sorts of ways.

But I do want to see what this guy has to say about taste and I will probably learn something.

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-08 06:31 pm UTC (link)
Interesting. I for one am mostly entirely happy to consume without producing; I produce enough at work to get that (mostly) out of my system, and then I take my hard earned dollars and spend them on people producing things I enjoy.

Of course, I suppose all this blogging nonsense is cultural production in its own right, right?

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[info]unzeugmatic
2008-08-08 07:33 pm UTC (link)
The notion that music is something that exists only as a commodity -- that must be agented and packaged and sold -- is the paradigm that I question. I think that music-as-commodity and music-not-as-commodity are so different that the same word shouldn't even apply to both things. They have different meanings. They are different things. But since we call them both "music" -- with the further confusing and ultimately demeaning quantifying notion of "amateur" vs "professional" -- we have trouble talking about the differences. I say one thing, people assume I mean the other.

I'm not really sure what I think about how this relates to taste, although I'm sure it does. That's why I'm interested in the book.

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-08 07:42 pm UTC (link)
And now, a random anecdote for you. I quit my job at Netscape seven years ago this week; the first thing I did after I left was to fulfill a long held dream of mine: to travel to the Republic of Georgia. Why, I have no idea; it probably had to do with an Einstürzende Neubauten song called Armenia, which led to a lot of reading up on the Caucasus in general.

Anyhow! While I was there - briefly - I attended a ceremonial dinner with the tour company that I had hired to show me around. It involved an awful lot of toasting, drinking, and singing Georgian folk songs. At one point, they stopped and asked me if I could perhaps sing one of my country's songs... and I was stumped. Sing? Who, me? I lamely, drunkenly explained that, well, we really didn't do that - I mean, we had CD players, right, so it wasn't a common occurrence.

Part of my personal experience has its origins in many, many years of piano lessons, followed by saxophone and bass guitar playing in marching bands, jazz bands, musicals, and so on. One thing I learned is that although I love music, I really, really hate performing it because I can't physically make music sound like I want it to, and also because I am not a composer. As a result, I don't even remotely have a problem with the idea of music as commodity; just as there are hobbyist coders who write iPhone apps or what have you, there are also people who do it professionally and that's a whole 'nother thing, you know?

I think the Stephen Merritt instigated discussion of authenticity/immediacy of singing styles/compression usage/whatever might be interesting to you. Dunno. But I do remember listening to the radio with John S. driving back from a weekend in Marin County ages ago when Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston or someone came on the radio, and I expressed amazement at how unnatural, how produced she sounded. But that's an entirely other conversation to be having, I guess.q

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[info]bleepkeeper
2008-08-11 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I lamely, drunkenly explained that, well, we really didn't do that - I mean, we had CD players, right, so it wasn't a common occurrence.

This is part of the reason I started listening to country music. But really, what's a "folk song" any more?

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-11 06:56 pm UTC (link)
"Toxic?"

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[info]bleepkeeper
2008-08-11 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Can you sing it? (I can't.) Is that a requirement?

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[info]poppychirpy
2008-08-08 07:09 pm UTC (link)
I own that album.

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-08 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I'm tempted to buy a copy.

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[info]poppychirpy
2008-08-08 07:18 pm UTC (link)
You can find copies for 1 cent on Amazon, plus you get the CD book with credits, or I can burn a copy and bring it next weekend when I see you.

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-08 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I'm down with 1 cent shopping. Thanks though!

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[info]poppychirpy
2008-08-08 07:20 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome. I would choose the 1 cent option too.

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-08 07:28 pm UTC (link)
I went with the $1.40 option - the international version with extra bonus tracks. I mean, after all, if I'm gonna listen to Céline Dion, I might as well get as much of it as I can, right?

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[info]poppychirpy
2008-08-08 07:29 pm UTC (link)
Bonus tracks? How many tracks are there? I'm not sure if I have that and fuck, I need to check that out.

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[info]nfotxn
2008-08-08 08:15 pm UTC (link)
Céline and the FLQ? In one book? I'd rather give myself a piping hot St-Hubert enema.

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[info]danbearnyc
2008-08-08 08:41 pm UTC (link)
Celine Dion is living proof that Canada is not our friend.

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-08 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Does it help that she's Québécoise?

I'd also argue that Nevadans owe her an awful lot, at least in terms of sales tax revenue...

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[info]danbearnyc
2008-08-08 08:59 pm UTC (link)
It doesn't help. They still have to account for Anne Murray.

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[info]itchwoot
2008-08-09 08:34 am UTC (link)
Sounds interesting... ordered it. :)

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[info]gunslnger
2008-08-12 07:25 pm UTC (link)
It is an interesting question whether what we consume changes our personalities to conform to that or whether we consume based on our personality and so changes in consumption reflect the changes in our personality. Basically, a chicken-egg question.

Pop music and pop literature is often considered immature and simplistic. I don't know if it really is or if the intelligentsia have decided that they are more mature simply because they are complex, regardless of whether or not that complexity is productive.

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-12 07:28 pm UTC (link)
Hell, even us programmer types are occasionally lured into orgiastic bouts of complexity that don't really produce anything. Back when I was working at Apple - this was the early 90s, mind you: think Pink, Taligent, and so on - there was an office rumor that someone had hired one of the Taligent devs to help write a word processor using OpenDoc or whatever. Apparently, he was so enamored of object oriented programming that every single fucking letter in the app was an object, or something.

To be able to write difficult code proves you are well educated and intelligent. To ignore it and write simple, terse, elegant code that actually works proves that you're potentially genius at coding. I think there may be parallels here.

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[info]gunslnger
2008-08-14 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, there do seem to be parallels. As a genius programmer, I do look down on other programmers who don't write simple, elegant, readable code, even if their obtuse and complex code does actually work well. :) :)

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